Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches in Chandler, AZ This church had no ties to anyone or any other church, yet this was a Baptist church as much as any Baptist church ever was. So the the issue is that there has to be a Biblical standard for dress. The KJV is a wonderful translation and very valid for its time, and you, like many others love it for its beautiful shakesperean english. I have transferred schools and since then Ive had to find a new church. I would mostly be concerned about #1 more than any other. He spoke aganist them leaving the others things undone. We preach modest clothing (unfortunatly most of the girls at my church dont adhere to it in that they wear skirts that expose all but a few inches of the upper leg). Thats all. http://www.av1611.org/ this web site is dial-the-truth ministries, but I call them dial-the-. All systems of hierarchy set up by man over the authority of the local church has lead to doctrinal errors and corruption without exception and God has not party with them. Northwest bible baptist church, elgin, il Although, this was the first Baptist church to be founded on American soil there is no recorded offspring from this church and modern American Baptist churches can not trace their history directly to it. Hi, in your opening statement use say that God has not party with them, those who operate under any systems of hierarchy set up by man over the authority of the local church. Shortly after that, because of his doctrinal preaching, he was forced to leave Salem and went for a short time to Plymouth. First I would disagree that The Church of Christ teaches first century, new testament doctrine. But wouldnt Paul himself, or the original church to whom the letter was sent, count as outside authority and control? 13:8-10). KJB,UNAFFILIATED. I have never dressed up for a Church Service and I think people should come how they want. I immediatley thought that my God must be alot bigger than his. You can tell when people actually study their Bibles. God leads us as we depend upon the Holy Spirit and keep His Word. These worldly churches still call themselves Baptists but in fact they do not believe or practice what true Baptists have historically believed and more importantly what the Word of God says. The name Fundamental Independent Baptist is of recent origin and came into being because many modern day Baptist churches compromising the Word of God and teaching and practicing false doctrines. I dont like dressing up. Our Beliefs JESUS CHRIST Jesus Christ is at the center of everything. Share this: Reasons for NOT Accepting the KJV as Gods Preserved Word A response to Pastor James Melton, 71. We all make mistakes, the only thing we can do is apologize and attempt to do better. That is what saved believers have always believed, because that is what the New Testament which is Gods Word to man says. 1) strict adherence to one version of the bible They do not accept that authority was given to any particular man, pope, prophet, group or church on earth to be the means of the salvation of men. Men meeting the Biblical qualification of deacons (servants) (1 Tim. Its derived from two possible origins: 1. Thomas Gould, died in 1675 an untimely death, partially because of his having his health broken by several long imprisonments. If the apostle Peter wanted to show up to Church one day while he was stripped and naked he would probably not be allowed in most Churches unless he put on some clothes. 4. 3:8-13) are appointed from the local congregation and approved by the majority vote. The study of Gods word deserves more time than this life holds. Greg, Omissions? What gets my goat on this style of preaching is that as much as these baptists act as though they follow nothing but the scripture, it seems they dont read it or study it much. To call these people Baptists or Baptistic, in the sense the believed the Bible and followed it as their sole authority for faith and practice, in the same way true Baptist churches do today, is acceptable, although it serves no purpose. Ive told bits and pieces of my story here over the last couple of years, so dont want to travel back through all of that, suffice it to say I left a very legalistic IFB, and now find myself in a tiny, new work that a friend started about 4 years ago (about 20 on Sunday) he calls it a Baptist church, I spoke to him about taking the baptist title out of it, but he wouldnt have it. So many churches have lost wonderful ministry opportunties by turning away those hurting, divorced folks, its a shame, God help us all to be sensitive to those who are hurting all around us. However, John the Baptist was an Old Testament saint and the last Old Testament prophet (Matt. The form is submitted along with the recommendations of other Calvary Chapel clergymen. I think it is true that God certainly does choose people and draw them to Himself. Tithing is no longer a requirement and God doesnt not require a tithe for obedience as is preached in todays churches. PEOPLE are the problem! Robert Fry Pastor of Bible Baptist Church in Plattsburgh, NY Deception, 75. Advanced Search Directory View All Listings Add Listing Sort By: Grace Baptist Church Pastor's Name Timothy C. Johnson Physical Address 487 Hwy. Robert Fry - Pastor of Bible Baptist Church in Plattsburgh, NY Deception; 75. The line of English churches that can be traced, who called themselves Baptists, began in 1610 in Holland. Shortly after that, Williams withdrew from the church and became what he called a seeker. History does not record why he would not identify himself as a Baptist. I doubt I would be allowed to wear Just a Speedo to any Church on a regular basis. We had an elderly woman that lifted her hands and shouted to the Lord the entire service before she went home to be with Him. Still others rail about the same sin constantly, possibly out of their own guilt. Ask these five questions of any church, and if they can answer all five in truth with a yes, then you will have a true Baptist church. I do not agree with the IFB on their viewpoint of strict dress standards. In the simplest of terms a true Baptist assembly is one which follows the New Testament as his sole authority for his faith and practice. I really have an issue with this point. You cannot read psalms w/out seeing those raised hands. Independent Fundamental Baptist - Jesus-is-Savior.com I think that you should go kill your children. The Puritans were in control of the colonies and in fact had set up a theocracy in which the Puritan church governed both secular and religious affairs. The crucial point is not that they called themselves Baptists, but they followed the Bible as their sole authority for faith and practice. He is not nearly as fundy as where I left from, and is learning. They were just outside of the resort area on the beach at night and were stopped by a group of policemen. This was the best onemembers in our church raise hands, say amen, clap after special music (GASP! The New Testament is the authority in all matters of faith and practice. The Baptist bases his authority solely on the Bible itself. Suppose an airplane flew over some isolated country that had no past or present contact with anyone else in the world. I humbly asked a question. 77. The influx of these falsely converted pagans is one reason Roman Catholicism came to have so many idolatrous and pagan beliefs. 14) before the Lord Jesus announced the coming establishment of the ekklesia. (Matt 16:18). I am not trying to be overly critical and yet I only have a certain amt of time to get to my points and while doing that I often come across that way, so forgive me. I am not in favor of tactics that play on peoples emotions so as to secure a visible result. Ive become weary of those labels, and the Baptist one carries alot of baggage now. For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. Christ suffered and gave His life to save you from hell, it's time you start going to a church that actually believes that. I am currently working on a research paper in seminary. Greetings, You dont study enough. 4:1-5, 1 Cor. The Person of Jesus Christ: Jesus is 100% God and 100% man for all eternity. We never shun people who leave the church. That means every church service must provide a time for people to come to Christ. Every activity, every thing we do, needs to uplift King Jesus, and it must allow for winning precious people to our Lord. Nor can I know the heart of those I preach to. I assume you are referring to the errant position that many Pastors, Deacons, or Elders have taken placing themselves between God & Man. Here is the Scripture Im refering to: In Luke 11:42 he says, But woe to you Pharisees! Hear personal testimonies and watch missionary slideshows with RealAudio narratives. p.s. I do hope that your eyes will be opened up soon because keeping the law will not grant you entrance into heaven. Our Mission Is to help you find a bible believing church, an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church, that seeks to serve and honor the Lord Jesus Christ. Read all (mor ethan on epost under name Lynne). He did not fail to share truth although He was not yet crucifiedso likewise I argue that since He said it should not have been left undoneHe meant what He says as He shared the fuller meaning I believe of the Laws. Lynne, why is tithing so important to you anyway? https://www.wayoflife.org/free_ebooks/hyles_effect.php. Independent, Fundamental, King James, Mission Minded Our Service Times Are: Sunday Morning Worship -. Corrections? It stands for devotion and a strict obedience to God and his commandments. G.L. Even the enemies of the Baptists openly recognize their zeal for the Word of God. A logical fallacy stands alone whether in or out of context. The Reformers were those who protested against certain abuses within the Roman Catholic Church. If only people would study more to know the voice of their Savior, there would be no one to follow the false teachers. 5:23) and the Chief Shepherd )1 Peter 5:4). I have also spend a good bit of down time ruminating over my beliefs of my church, and the fallacies of their theology. God does not lead His children by rules. 4) strict obedience to the pastor A true New Testament church bases its faith, practice and authority solely in the Word of God. KJB. From http://procinwarn.com/ccclergy.htm: Most people do not realize that Calvary Chapel church organizations are not, themselves, affiliated with the original Calvary Chapel in Costa Mesa, California. Through preaching the New Testament, the Gospel went forth in power and the Baptist movement grew rapidly. The first Baptist church on American soil was a direct result of the Puritan persecution of true New Testament believers. In other words, when the Bible speaks, the words have a literal meaning and that it the meaning God intended. They believe that when the Book of Revelation was completed by the Apostle John about 90-95 AD, the Word of God was complete. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist (New IFB) Movement This is whats known as the Argumentum ad populum fallacy. In his writings he appears ignorant of the practices of the Roman Church and never refers to church councils, creeds, traditions or even to the existence of a pope. If someone leaves the church and lives a worldly life style (no church or fellowship with Christ, alcohol, drugs, tobacco, fornication, homosexuality, etc.) Suppose too that some of them on reading that Bible were to believe and repent of their sins and place their trust in Gods Son and His redemption for personal sin. Not just the New Testament. http://www.bible-truth.org/fundbapt.htm. 3:1-16) However, some Independent Baptist churches do not accept that the word officer is the proper biblical term to be used and particularly does not apply to deacons. It is not historically correct to identify Baptists as Catholic protestors who left the Roman church. We believe in salvation by grace through faith as described in Ephesians 2:8-9. It was almost like watching 12yr olds trying to run a corporation. He brings up the subject of God and church all the time. I have to tell you, Lynne, if you want to keep one part of the law, without keeping the rest of the law, you are guilty of breaking the whole thing. when I said I hear a lot that the IFB has strict dress standards. To say there is a unbroken line or succession of Baptist churches from the time of Christ until today cannot be shown from history. I cannot judge this man. One of the most unsettling things to experience is dealing with corruption in power. The Official Independent Baptist Rulebook, Known in Some Churches as Church Standards Thou shalt obey the pastor at all times Thou shalt obey all adults at all times if you are a child or teenager Thou shalt obey your husband at all times if you are a woman Thou shalt obey your parents at all times The first church was founded there in 1688, in Middletown and was made up of many who had fled persecution in the other colonies. Im not saying thats the case only sharing my experience & by Gods grace I have done so I believe. I was able to better understand the New Testament. Im not sure how they upkept thier Synagogue & relate dcostbut if Im not mistaken I learned during a conference that they actually gave more than our equivalent of a tenth in regards to thier goods/wealth (like mince, spices, etc)and perhaps separate monetray covered that cost or these items were bartered/traded to pay bills. Anyway at least once a year we set up a tent and have an old-fashioned revival. Puritan churches persecuted the Baptists in America until the U. S. Constitution was made the law of the land in 1787. Im calling into question yourreasoning as to why you are defending your belief about tithing. Secessionism is the gross error of Catholicism.