We operate as a form of "legal triage" where commenters can guide posters towards resolving issues themselves or towards an appropriate professional. Hope that isnt a dark omen. Ireland..DroghedaDublin.116..3% The travelling public in the East seems a lot more happy with their experience than the travelling public you refer to in the West. I have an appeal against conviction for fare evasion by TFL tomorrow, do you have any advice? Change), You are commenting using your Facebook account. One should also note that providing useful public transport service does not scale to the level of individual trips or trip lengths. The train companies are much more rigorous in going to the courts, mainly because the money involved in long distance commuting is so much higher. That is a ridiculous and misleading claim. And therein lies the cause of the problem: the types who can think econometrically wont think in terms of long-range strategic planning (because it is impossible to quantitate neatly, and involves that nebulous thing, vision) so they do the only thing they can, which is tactical short-termism, to optimise current resources blah, blah. Unfortunately, the problem of indifference to monthlies on urban rail is common around the Anglosphere. And Ive never seen a normal cop using a rifle. We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the No matter how small, Martin do you really want to contribute to such sentiment? 2) Crime prevention costs Menu viscount royal caravan. Even the fragmented British railway system is able to manage fare revenue distribution for generic tickets. @Sassy: Japan has a norm of subsidized commuting costs (mostly employer subsidized, but the amount of government subsidy increases as income increases since it comes as a tax benefit), and while its cool that people can and do commute via Shinkansen from exurbs over 100km from the city center, I dont think that is behavior the government should promote.. And it shows little sign of improving. Even if the OP did have full details written in the post, nothing is linking the OP's post to the guy showing up in court. They are cited in the same way that a fare evader is, even though theyve obviously paid the fare. It seems a bit of a wasted effort otherwise, eh?, Oh, should of added, that this is why when youre designing your roaming checks youre really looking for how you can MAXIMISE the number of people that saw that check happen. Domestic Violence Protection Notices and Orders, Home Office - Illegal Workers, Criminal Prosecutions & Civil Penalties. Appellant provided an unsigned copy of the revised settlement agreement to the district court at the summary-judgment hearing on September 27, 2005. You must submit a plea of guilty or not guilty within 21 days from the date of the notice. A postal requisition will display the date for a court hearing. Solicitors So what should the new monthly and single-ride fare cost? As far as I understand, in Japan it is common (maybe even law) that the employer pays for the passes of their employees. I am on record on your blog as not supporting free transit, but I certainly believe in reasonable fares which inevitably means some subsidy, though it is true that it should not be called that, rather a sharing of costs among all those who benefit from transit. Your everyone else is the minority, and just as with your earlier wrong assumption, they might be tempted by a monthly pass but under your scheme there wouldnt be any point. I wonder how this came to be? Similar remnants to Roslagsbanan and Saltsjbanan do exist in Germany as well. UK.ManchesterLiverpool2578% I already contacted various solicitors over the weekend, and hope to hear from them soon enough. As to the World Cup, I really dont think one should be obliged to design a mass transit system to cope with a once in ten or twenty year event. Its only wasteful if people are taking unnecessary rush hour trips, but even with the pricing of Zurich or the outer fare zones in Stockholm, the monthly pass is mostly subsidizing off-peak trips, when theres spare capacity. One might say that of course they would say that. As you can imagine, any criminal record on a 27-year-olds CV would be detrimental to many future opportunities. And the operators are normally satisfied. What is really the moral logic in giving discounts to people that travel far, frequently, and during peak (at least 1 and 3 which also are regressive) a benefit over people that travel less and shorter? with modern technology varying fares dynamically by distance is very straightforward (with 1990s technology) and westerners would adapt very quickly. For the far right and the far left, transit is a social service for poor people rather than a general transportation service in the United States. Is there any country where ethnic minority which is poorer than rest of the population is not disproportionately inprisoned? The form will ask you whether you intend to plead guilty or not guilty and will give you an option to enter your plea by post. While I agree with pretty much everything in this post, I think encouraging monthly passes is a mistake. This could probably be achieved without putting in more money into the system if rush hour pricing, no or modest bulk discounts, and higher prices for long trips were introduced. Your argument against which kind of trips that are induced by marginal price costs of 0, just makes no sense. This field is for validation purposes and should be left unchanged. Yes. *Except in the actual immigrant nations of USA, Canada and Australia where crime rates are lower in immigrants! The British and American approach is to make it hard to break the law, even at the cost of making it hard to follow it. Why use the argument for a monthly pass, which only very indirectly affect the issue you highlight above (and have tons of other effects), instead of pricing off-peak and peak useage directly? The answer inevitably will be yes, and this despite paying high salaries and absurd high bonuses to senior execs etc (which went on even as those companies marched into bankruptcy.) For Walkability and Good Transit, and Against Boondoggles and Pollution, fare evasion costs $240 million a year on the subway and buses, The total cost of the new patrol program is $56 million in the first year, https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2019/11/public-transportation-security-safety-laws-protests-equity/602212/, https://www.traveller.com.au/traveller-letters-campari-spritz-is-far-superior-to-aperol-spritz-h1jm5q, https://www.inquirer.com/transportation/septa-bus-fee-transfer-poverty-transit-pew-study-20190724.html, https://tfl.gov.uk/fares/how-to-pay-and-where-to-buy-tickets-and-oyster/travelcards-and-group-tickets, Todays Headlines Streetsblog California, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_Settlement_Plan, http://www.caltrain.com/Fares/tickettypes/GO_Pass.html, Op-Ed: What America Gets Wrong about Fare Evasion Streetsblog USA, News roundup: Happy Thanksgiving Seattle Transit Blog, Cops on Public Transportation | Pedestrian Observations, The Port Authoritys New Fare Policy is an Improvement Connect-PGH, https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/19/southern-rail-failure-crush-unions, https://pedestrianobservations.com/2019/07/18/free-public-transportation/#comment-61991, We Gave a Talk About Our Construction CostsReport, Burning the Midnight Oil for Energy Independence, Pittsburgh, Youngstown, Akron, Cleveland Arts And Livable City Blog, Jim Aloisi, Trimount Consulting and Board Member at TransitMatters. 2) Casual Southeastern Trains Solicitor Avoid a Criminal Record Yeah, and did you read the very lengthy instructions about how to apply for the adult monthly travel card? New Yorks 46 is still similar, esp. https://pedestrianobservations.com/2019/10/24/numerology-in-transportation/#comment-67419. The Swiss at least do zonal fares with monthly passes. But yeah, the moralistic response on the left of treating fare evasion as something good (esp. They claim such abuse could be costing the government hundreds of million in long term. What a wonderful system! I use the discount punch pass (something that really should be eliminated ) instead of the monthly pass because my local network isnt good enough to consider using the bus for more trips. WebOur fare evasion solicitors are familiar working with the major train and bus companies in England. Thats not the way real people actually use a Metro system (well maybe London where you might expect to get hit with an unexpected big bill depending on trip length, time of travel blah, blah.) The fare structure should then encourage long-term season passes, including annual passes, so that nearly all residents who take public transport have already paid. And London. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The thing is they are impenetrable by fare-dodgers and so they dont even try (the interlocking-bars full-height type) and so these exits can be unmanned without problems, and they need almost zero maintenance. For commutes, especially the suburban crowd, transit is essentially free as to user, as its paid for by the employer, and the income is untaxed by the government. Germany is known for stereotypically being law-abiding, I am not sure how well their experience generalizes. New York itself may have an excuse to keep the faregates: its trains are very crowded, so peak-hour inspections may not be feasible. about improving efficiency etc that has been utterly discredited. If they decide to prosecute, you will receive a Court Summons in the post, providing a date when you must attend court. Fare evasion is punished in court by a fine of up to 1,000. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Not being American I dont know my semi-automatic high-powered weapons at all well. With a modern system, there is no extra inconvenience is actually charging according to how much you use the system. The other point about the Asians, as I have mentioned in earlier responses on this same issue, is that the cost is very low, so they can use fancy conditions to vary the fare (on distance, time, whatever) but it will always be a travel bargain (Singapore, Hong Kong, both world cities); note also that this is not the case for their rail links to the airport where they adopt maximum extraction policies (on the basis of social justice I guess; if you can afford to fly you can afford this higher fare), such that far more Hong Kongers use buses to the airport than the airport express (though there are geographical reasons too). In the east, well Hong Kong, Singapore and Japan, there is a paternalistic care about the travelling public that balances the overt greed in the west, hence Japans government-imposed ceilings on fares. 250km2). classic TOD. Plus, when its late at night and my phone battery is dying and Im worried about getting inspected (since my monthly pass is on my phone), reasonably bourgeois people tell me not to worry because in practice there are no inspections late at night. However, again one should compare the compact arrangement of Ile de France versus what happens with Japan & Tokyos laissez-faire development policies. https://www.citylab.com/transportation/2019/11/public-transportation-security-safety-laws-protests-equity/602212/ This thread has been locked by the moderators of r/LegalAdviceUK. WebTransit Fare Evasion. The solicitor who took on my case took a statement, we spoke about mysituation in depth. Beyond population density, efficiency is an important reason why transit is so cheap in East Asia. The MTA has also mentioned a higher figure, $300 million; I do not know if the higher figure includes just urban transit or also commuter rail, where conductors routinely miss inspections, giving people free rides. If you want to talk about racial discrimination, lets talk about French incarceration rates. Its true that Dunkirk is trialing free public transport, but Dunkirk isnt exactly a shining example of good transit and its free transit trial mostly reduced cycling rates with barely any effect on driving rates. The cost burden of commuting is unevenly and unethically distributed amongst the beneficiaries of this utility. > I more or less agree but then if we compare Greater Paris with Tokyo, the former with very affordable transit and the latter with more expensive transit, then clearly it doesnt always follow, ie. Right, but buses represent a small fraction of total pax, certainly in the centre but presumably more in the outer regions (where they will also be less cost-efficient). And the S-Bahn gets subsidies because of lower suburban ridership, same as the RER/Transilien. put in half-height gates and theyll jump them. There isnt really much they can do except hand down fines. (I have literally just joined this site so apologies if I do anything wrong!) Thats what a monthly/annual pass stands for. If you are charged with an offence and are to be prosecuted in court, you may receive a postal requisition. And in general is entirely counterproductive. AAR (August 2107), BSB Solicitors are a company you can definitely put your trust in. Theres something interesting going on with Chesa Boudins campaign: he wants to decriminalize quality-of-life crimes (okay) and deprioritize prosecuting theft and redirect resources to prosecuting sexual assault (prioritize violent crime) and train cops to be more responsive to victims. But equally it seems such card systems require a certain level of fare simplification to be robust. This is true for all of the major world cities and there encouraging efficiency is vital. London, WC1N 2ES | 020 7837 3456. cheaper transit promoting sprawl. Ridership was concentrated in too-old-and-poor to ride a car. Its not the far right or the far left, can we please keep these terms for the most radical 10-20% of the population on each side rather than for anodyne center-left and center-right politics? What is Transit Fare Evasion? - davidolsonlaw-firm.com T.T. ( June 2017). E.g. The JR companies failures with conventional rail outside the megacities are a point of continuity with JNR not a departure. They rely on people voluntarily going to the cash register and checking out. It is seemingly impossible to get comprehensive timetables (and costs) for all trains plying a certain route. Singapore has no season passes at all. Passport-size photos, applications, visiting the ticket office. (No doubt, partly econometric because of the cost-benefit calculation of replacing their antiquated coin-op turnstiles with something modern.). @Eric2 Some of the sprawl was developed during the bubble era , but the public transportation was scrapped after the bubble burst. Train tickets from London (St Euston) to the Lakes District return, plus a one-way trip from St Pancras to Gatwick airport, cost me $A500. R.H August (2018), I would definitely recommend BSB Solicitors. Double that figure, and the average number of commuting trips is 44 to 46. Having felt very positive about my initial interaction with the person who took my initial phone call, I immediately booked a consultation the next day., I arrived early and was greeted with smiles and a lot of reassurance. So if someone rides a King County Bus, then a Sound Transit train, both Sound Transit and King County get money. That would move most adults onto annual passes. This works very well in very busy systems in Asia, where they can deal with large passenger flows. I mention it because it brings up awkward issues of those subsidies: do they extend to these private entities? A Pew Research study (documented here: https://www.inquirer.com/transportation/septa-bus-fee-transfer-poverty-transit-pew-study-20190724.html ) notes that Philadelphia has one of the highest rates not just of working poor but of residents with limited or no access to banks and internet connections. Because the higher your passenger-to-visible-check ratio is, the lower your casual evasion will be.. Highly recommend this firm, Jim was excellent and settled the case very quickly NA October 2021, I am so very grateful to Mr Skelsey who was incredibly professional and thorough when handling my case. in Paris the faregates made crowd control worse in the World Cup victory celebrations. In any case, it should be clear that both Paris and Tokyo could be much more compact than they currently are. I wasimmediately madeto feel at ease at our first meeting and they always provided very clear instructions and advice throughout our email communications. Fare Evasion Its technically still a crime in Germany and repeat offenders Especially those who cannot pay do end up in jail. Hi! Rich people ride commuter rail, theyre not policed. As they push out, all non-frequent transit users, the support among transit-users for monthly passes is understandably high (a typical insider-outsider issue). The UK has one of the most backward commuting settlements in Europe in this regard. In reality, this would actually be a cost saving measure because any system to collect fares, be that fare gates or proof of payment, is very expensive, so getting your revenue from taxes instead of fares would actually be cheaper for the residents. And if you need proof just try asking Londoners versus Parisians about their own systems. I get why that is, but you really want to go somewhat lower than 45 on these grounds. Not that need to, the glocks they carry are plenty deadly.